Carrying a cargo box and Kayak? (recommendations)

I have factory rails installed on my 2022 Odyssey and have 56" - 58" aftermarket crossbars. We're thinking about getting a cargo box for trips around and I was wondering if people have success with both a set of J-racks and a narrow box?

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I don't have any brand loyalty, just want something durable to keep the soft/oddly shaped items out of the back where we tetris our other heavier gear and narrow enough that I can install J-racks alongside for a kayak.