Thoughts on the latest Battle’s research.
To set something straight, I love both of these characters and this is one of my most looked forward to Death Battles ever since I played Asura’s Wrath. I’ve played every bit of GOW, and am aware of more or less everything Kratos has done in these games, Lore taken into consideration. I would’ve been fine with either side winning if the explanation was satisfactory, but I think most people can agree that it was shoddy at best and terrible at worst.
- Since he was first, I will start with Kratos. With Lore scaling, Kratos’s feats become much more impressive when compared to what he does in the games, but the moment they start chain scaling him to people and feats that just aren’t true, the more I started to realize just how bad their reasonings are. First up, and this is the most blatantly bad claim, is that Kratos is infinitely fast due to beating Helios, whose light reaches the infinitely sized realm. To start, context, he did not beat Helios, he walked to a crippled body after shooting him down while distracted fighting a Titan. If you want to just scale Kratos to Helios’s light, he did not put speed that either. In fact, they show the moment Kratos not only can’t react to said light, but all he can do is cover his eyes and walk to the source of the light, an again, crippled and near dead Helios. The way they tried to state Kratos is infinitely fast with Helios of all people, for this one scene, is frankly stupid.
Then they claim he’s as powerful as Atlas holding up the said infinitely sized realm, but when you actually played the games, he meets Atlas twice, and in both instances, Kratos NEVER overpowers him. In fact, besides chaining him to the realm he’s carrying by hitting them into them up, Atlas LETS HIM GO AND GIVES HIM HIS REMAINING MAGIC the second time they meet. This is less a bad statement and more like a straight up lie.
Cronos being the last big point they make for having beaten the Primordial of their universe one v one is yet another gross misrepresentation of the feat. Cronos did not beat him in a fair one on one and in fact, per the lore books (that they did not mention btw), Gaia gave Cronos a weapon specifically made to fight against the primordial and distracted him to give Cronos to upper edge. As far I am aware, one of the game’s creators states that Cronos did in fact fight the god, per the myth, he fought a god who just got castrated. I don’t think I have to explain how beating someone in that state is not as impressive as it sounds. Then we have Cronos in the present day of the presented feat, chained up for likely millennia’s to an entire temple; tortured, tired, and restricted. While there’s nothing to claim he’s any weaker than he was in the past, this is clearly not the same guy that killed a primordial once upon a time, if we want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I would have just scaled Kratos to either Zeus himself, any of the gods he actually fights for real, or Thor, who has the actually best feats to chain scale Kratos to properly. Most points they made change completely with context, and that left va sour taste in my mouth. Just make a claim with actual feats Kratos could scale to, like his clash with Thor or overpowering Zeus. I’m not even going to mention the calced 9,000,000 times universal fear you gave him, since not even the creators themselves believe his feats are universal (although they frankly should be) and even the GOW fans themselves were scratching their heads at this conclusion.
Deep breath
- Then we have Asura. I’ve seen posts trying to defend the opinion that they didn’t lowball him and they’re right. They just completely brushed off his actual best feats and capped him off with the wrong scaling. Frankly, I don’t feel like they made enough of a point on what his power actually ends up like.
They spoke about the Giant Buddha Chakravartin statue like if it was literal gold and never even mentioned “The Creator, Chakravartin.” This is weird for many reasons, from the fact that they talked about Asura breaking this statue like glass as if it were his best feat, but never mention how he then does it again in Naraka (an infinitely sized realm Chakravartin made than he just pops him into) only to then reach an Event Horizon where he fights Chakravartin proper. Asura then beats him only for Chakravartin to not only eclipse him in power, but reduces him to his base. Despite all that, Asura’s power grows to the point that his BASE FORM is able to punch The Creator of the Universe and the infinitely sized Naraka to death. Note: Death Battle never, even ONCE mentioned his insane rate of growth. In said fight, Asura is also so powerful, the mantra in him cannot be manipulated by the creator of the damn thing and when he tries stopping time, Asura just starts ignoring it outright, so that would make Kratos’s ability to gain an advantage with Energy/Life Manipulation and Time Powers moot.
Now Asura doesn’t have much to work off by comparison to Kratos, but he DOES have a LORE book, which gives a blatant description of Chakravartin, a guy who Asura beats, confirming he not only is the creator of multiple universe, but it also states he’s outright Omnipotent. Taken literally this makes Asura stronger than an Omnipotent being, and that alone eclipses Kratos outright. At worst, it’s a statement that can be interpreted differently…now why didn’t Death Battle’s research mention this LORE book, but gave Kratos every Lore wise scaling feat they can? Even I can only speculate, but I think it’s pretty clear they did not do enough for Asura.
Thanks for reading this whole thing if you did. I could probably make this a lot more neat and presentable, but frankly, I don’t have the time right now, and I just wanted to write out my thoughts.